800.00 for a 150.00!item plus that bizzar fee of 200.00! Why ask for common sense from people who are responsible to no one? Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. What about an 80% lower ( stupid term)? We here at the ATF strive to conform to the letter of the law, unless we see people getting uppity with the privileges we have bestowed up them, then see, we drop the ban hammer! We have to reign in these agenda based agencies, or disband them completely. It is a crime to build a silencer, machine gun, short barrelled shotgun or short barrelled rifle without the right license. If they choose to enforce the law, then they are just as responsible for the law as the moral degenerates who passed it. It is a favorite toy of the bureaucracy to be able to take something to illogical extreme so that any un-favored activity can be made illegal, subject to criminal law. Patriots should not need permission from anyone fir anything as long as they are not felins. They have been around for some time now, but with a different look. Okay, I should have mentioned this earlier to minimalize unnecessary speculation about the ATF’s illogical, nonsensical, UN-Reasonable Subjectiveness concerning their apparent whimsical and capricious Anti-Constitutional, unauthorized by We, the People administrative Fiat Decrees. A solvent trap is a firearm cleaning system that is designed to capture cleaning solvent in order to be disposed of efficiently. No, David Koresh and the families (several families were British citizens, by the way) were assaulted, shot and burned alive. Constructive intent is bull, and I wish some Gun group would sue to remove this bull from the ATF’s arsenal of threats. My plea for help is to make this Viral to the Trump admin, the Trump family and such. We are adding new tactical gear and gun parts all the time so make sure you return often to check out our latest. Arbitrary nonsense, and as a result the agency (ATF) can pick and choose whoever they want to shutdown regardless of the law. We’re not going to agree on this. NAPA can’t even sell them to us because they are a suppressor part. This type of malfunction is dangerous as the gun may explode. If I wanted to start making desk ornaments that coincidentally could be drilled a few places and dropped into a rifle to make if full auto should I cry foul if the ATF comes knocking on my door? DUI’s in Colorado come to mind. Here’s the rest of the story and what the writer of this article obviously DOES NOT know is that SD tactical was making interchangeable suppressor parts. . The same is true of certain state laws. A law that is predicated in “intent”, with no action required is simply witchcraft. If everything you need to build the suppressor is in the “Kit”, then one of the parts has to be the suppressor. Well Curtis Childress, is partially correct - it’s a container that can attach to the muzzle of a firearm to collect the dirty solvent and patches pushed thru in cleaning. Remember….it all started with the ATF deciding that their charter stretched to cover situations where guns and children were co-located. Indeed, should Trump appoint rabid individualist interpreters of the Constitution, the odds of his re-election would skyrocket, as he would pick up a fair portion of former Bernie supporters who just want individual freedom maximized. As to other discussion, the issue seems to be the ruling that a collection of materials is “constructive intent” to make or do something illegal is an open-ended authority to declare any collection of materials, located in infinite space, can one day be construed as also illegal. that should be a 10.00 fee.? It’s done all the time. While we work to REPEAL ALL current gun legislation, especially the NFA and LBJ’s tyrannical 68GCA from which the ATF gets it’s Nazi Gestapo authority, and replace it with new legislation prohibiting ANY future gun laws without the complet process of a Constitutional Amendment. That or you need to pull your tongue out of the ATFs ass. What country are you living in? Solvent traps feature cups, also referred to as dividers, that trap byproduct created during the cleaning process. Months later, tens of k in legal fees, the push for a high profile media pumped jury trial in the mostly conservative venue ‘persuaded’ the prosecutors to see ‘the light’ and drop the charges in exchange for not filing a lawsuit against the police. Read your damn internal memos! If you wish something different than what we have here, visit our “You build it” page and you can create your own custom set-up. This is 99% of our income. Soooooo when budwiser puts out a psa durring the super bowl reminding people not to drink and drive its tacit acknowledgment that the product they sell will be used to brake the law and budwiser,… ney, ALL alcohol companies need to be shut down?….. i think their lawyers are better than SD tactical and the ATF went after the low hanging fruit. Alex: Ensuring your 300 Blackout, .308, 6.5 Creedmoor other higher power rounds have a titanium solvent trap installed during your travels, make misfires a nonissue. It is a serious serious felony and I would much rather pay the money and wait the time than go to Levenworth… You are all just fooling yourselves… you might as well call the FzbI and ask them if you “found” a pound of heroin if it would be ok to keep it.. Proplr are busted every day for shooting solvent traps, oil filter, and PVC pipe suppressors.. The rhetoric that it makes the report from the gun so much less that other people won’t notice it is, other than in either fantasyland or in stratospheric price land, is just wrong. You’ll have to have the suppressor engraved with your serial. Solvent traps and/or solvent trap kits can be purchased legally without a Form 1. One is a deadly weapon, the other isn’t. By adding a bullet exit hole it can function as a suppressor which necessitates Form 1 submission and a paid tax. They’re betting you don’t have the time, money and will to challenge their “authority” and 99.9999% of the time they’re right about that. Sam I Am; you are wrong in this case. That is what we do for now until I get some legal help to fight these vauge laws or opinions. Solvent Trap - Splash - If you are the owner of a gun, and you would like to have your very own silencer that is legal, you might want to consider using what is called a solvent trap. Five Ways and Reasons Solvent Trap make Gun Cleaning Easier: 1. But, my point continues, why do we expect sense from bureaucratic drones? the person delivering the firearm to the police did not have any permit to possess a firearm in a jurisdiction requiring same. My illustration was to point out that government decide what you may have, your standing before law. Most versions of it I’ve seen didn’t really mentioned home made cans. KM Tactical offers solvent trap kits at cheap prices. It was not by coincidence that J. Edgar Hoover, the most corrupt and dangerous rights violating crimininal Police State NAZI felon to ever carry a badge and wear women’s underwear was also setting up a ‘surveillance’ state for that purpose. And if you buy one, can the ATF come and charge you with buying an illegal silencer kit without a license to manufacture? The ATF and DOS were crushed in that attempt. Solvent trap kits aren’t regulated as firearms, so any retailer can sell the parts. Sure it’s a grey area of the law as they sold a legal product but I’m betting if this went to court then intent could be proven that these devices were designed to be used as suppressors. But the reversal is already under way – having dodged the bullet of Clinton – or at least, on hold. Fraud means an intentional act that seeks to extract consideration from another, while knowing that information or product presented is not valid. As a solvent trap owner, you are solely responsible for what you do with your solvent trap. Some of them come in different colors as well. Egalitarian libertarian society? If some guns discharge late, some discharge prematurely even while still loading the chamber. AThis is a bunch of crap. At all? Nobody changed the law. Dimensions: length: 9" Outside diameter: 1.5" Weight: 22oz Comes with a selection of 1/2x28TPI,5/8x24 TPI, or Q Cherry bomb adapter… $ 420.00 – $ 450.00 Well, I suppose they should get their last bit of licks in before they get told to STFU and do their actual jobs properly. Don’t forget that those grocers sell steel wool too. § 921(a)(24) The feds could have avoided the entire episode ! Until it’s assembled, it’s not a suppressor/SBR/SBS. The issue is NFA items. Those who make one rule and then reverse it, leaving citizens in the lurch, should be given the weapon of their choice plus basic gear and dropped into the desert to fight ISIS. At that point the agency would be begging to have a judge rule that a lot of their “rule making authority” is arbitrary, capricious, unconstitutional and therefore void. At present, silencers fall under the National Firearms Act. Now my buddies can get jealous while they wait 5 more months for their form 4s. In short, dueling should be made legal again — but only for constituents challenging elected officials. do we have to worry about some bureucrat deciding well maybe we change our minds? The ATF acquitted itself poorly at Waco and got what it deserved. Thank you. Do not expect that to change much. When you consider that you have to pay $200, do fingerprints. It is usually made of aluminum, steel, or titanium tube attached to the end of the gun barrel to capture the cleaning solvent for proper disposal. Some people are nervous about owning a solvent trap to clean firearms. Then why do suppressors from big name companies cost more than the solvent traps? So we started doing some research. Evil never rests, and relies on the selfish natural condition of humans. If you wish something different than what we have here, visit our “You build it” page and you can create your own custom set-up. Even the DEA doesn’t try to play the “we wrote a letter and you were in violation as soon as it came off the printer so you’re under arrest” game. Maybe you are wondering why a piece of equipment like this is needed for cleaning when you can do it traditionally. More than the outside, you need to perform a regular care procedure that goes deep down. There is absolutely no discernible difference between these items in a shipping box, and the same materials scattered about a garage. Especially since there are other companies selling these Solvent kits. The solvent trap controversy comes against the backdrop of a national debate over how silencers should be regulated. So here’s the point: I wouldn’t even consider starting to build such a device until I had a letter from the ATF in my hand that said it was legal to build one. Janet Reno and Bill Clinton can’t die soon enough. Also by your argument, 2A is utterly useless, since everyone should surrender themselves to mercy of the legal process. All the poor deluded suckers who thought Trump actually gave a crap about the 2A. The size resembles an original silencer and can function as one after the makeover. Find the Gun Solvent Trap that Works for You. That and the fact that it is apparently a company selling these with a wink and a nod. So why is the first OK, but the second not? I maybe make $35 dollars on a .22 unit because I know the $200 stamp is really going to increase the package price. Even if there were 3.5million fraudulent voters for Clinton, the popular vote would have been a near tie. Drill holes in your solvent trap. How to Choose the Best best solvent trap suppressor. Solvent traps do attach to the muzzle of a firearm but do not have any design features intended to allow a bullet to pass through them. The same reason McDonalds coffee cups have “CAUTION: HOT” on the outside. And for the lawyer who takes the civil action. Well Sam I Am, that’s pretty incoherent. So the 68 GCA Totalitarian disarmament legacy works like this. but not normal simple things like ear protection and short rifles. In addition, Amazon offers return policies, payment protection and other options that help you get the high-quality best solvent trap suppressor you are looking for. If you would like to use solvent traps as it is, you can go with a standard build. Are the customers grandfathered ‘in’, as long as they don’t convert it to a functioning suppressor? A gun solvent trap is a separate kit that requires minor assembly. And would give Jeffersonian anti-Totalitarian resisting forces a tremendous NON-Detection advantage in hit and run engagements with Anti-Constitution Totalitarian regime forces. This SD tactical injustice is so egregious it can’t stand under the jury or reasonable justice system not blatantly corrupted by a disarmament agenda based out of control administrative fiat rampaging rogue agency. On the other hand, it doesn’t load itself automatically so it might rationally be argued to be a volley gun with a single barrel. If none of the colors or design. !…”INTENT” Is bullshit!! We are in interesting times, worth watching and remembering. Solvent Trap USA offers you a gun solvent trap that every gun owner would need and want. I know a few guys who own CNC machines who got a visit from ATF and are under the microscope, albeit well within the law…. Obviously you are one of those low IQ stupid people that are all up in arms over this ridiculous solvent trap issue. We are building a case against Lowes now, and unfortunately Ace hardware still isn’t giving us any evidence to prosecute. The NFA museum is full of confiscated illegal silencers and illegally converted machine guns.. it’s just not worth the criminal charges…. But I do suggest one thing: that those who insist on the right to abortion not just get their way, but that the rules on abortion for them change from freely available to mandatory . A gun solvent trap makes firearm maintenance hassle-free. Sale!.22lr Solvent Trap. Solvent trap feature cups, also referred to as dividers, that trap byproduct created during the cleaning process. F them!! can be prevented with routine inspection and maintenance. One-fifth are as I described, and the other two-fifths don’t really care, they just want to get their paycheck. Why? Do not be duped. Only because another family member was a serving cop in another state, who knew the patrol captain, was the finder eventually released. And, sam I am, try to sell a shotgun with a miter box, can of cold blue and a hacksaw and see where you get with a judge. Please make sure you review the details before purchasing. SD tactical should immediately retain the same law firm that handled that ’80 percent’ receiver company’s (name escapes me at the moment but they’re still in business, and their story is all over the internet) illegal raid and shut down in California for making receivers supposedly too easy to finish. I’ll blame the ATF for interpreting the law any way that suits them. This frustrated law enforcement, so the item that made crime invisible had to be regulated. Public safety is more important than convenience.”. You can call a duck a rabbit, but I don’t think most people are going to agree with you. Sorry, but not even close. To appreciate the almost can’t Of course if you want you can have an NFA “Manufacturer” register an oil filter for you as the sliencer, then you could use your e-Bay or Amazon adapter without a problem… too bad your “silencer” will only be good for a mag or two, then you have to send it to the manufacturer for repair. By copying providing info I am meaning to contact on letter to Customs. as the story said “SD Tactical Arms in Prescott, Arizona had been selling “solvent trap” kits. Two things can also happen when a gun is not properly maintained: a round may fail to feed into the chamber after firing and/or a fired round may fail to clear the gun’s ejection point. If you can’t afford a high dollar can and don’t know how to run a lathe, these kits are an awesome way for the average Joe to enjoy a little liberty. You got me. You cannot, however, modify, alter, or redesign solvent traps into a device for silencing without first filing and receiving an approved Form 1 back from BATFE. We did it before not too long ago when they tried to ban more than 5 round shotgun tube magazines, remember? It’s important to shop for a kit that won’t explode the first time you pull the trigger. Indeed, it is the same thing as jailing a person who surrenders contraband that was found by that innocent person. “Constructive intent” has no boundary; that is the crime. Trump and a Republican (not conservative, libertarian or moral) Party have exactly 11 months to completely reverse the trend toward a completely coercive government. You can’t arbitrarily and capriciously mentally torture or illegally turn innocent persons into criminals just because of your own malicious agenda? Very interesting, this latest OCD the ATF has with sound suppressors. For government, “the words mean what we say they mean…whenever we say the words”. That means I would have to wait until you commit a crime before you are arrested (“conspiracy law” that preempts is more “thought police”). They have put 3 Veterans, my wife and son out of work. But even at that, you have to have someone buy the materials and fabricate an illegal-under-NFA device without having done a form 1 and payment for there to have been any violation of law involved. When you get paid by number of squares of roofing you nail down, you try to nail as many as you can. The gun isn’t an MG by modern standards but it certainly discharges more than one round per pull, or “function” of the trigger. And the REAL reason they don’t want the rapid proliferation of ‘waiting to be made in to silencer’ solvent traps as these companies are doing without the tracking ability of a Class 3 stamp and I.D. But I have an idea to cut it back drastically: all proceeds from asset forfeitures should go to fund a public defender’s office on par with the prosecutor’s office, with the added authority of being able to prosecute cops found crooked in any case. Fraud not requires the intent to have the intent. It’s important to shop for a kit that won’t explode the first time you pull the trigger. Despite what you may think, the ATF has historically been a relatively reasonable entity to work with. Suppressors, solvent traps, and legal traps. big business tells them what to do. Foghorn is a gun nerd living and working in San Antonio, Texas. The Stainless Steel Adaptive Solvent Trap Kit (AST) sports the same modular cup design as our other Adaptive Solvent Trap models. As a solvent trap owner, you are solely responsible for what you do with your solvent trap. A clearly stated law that doesn’t change with the opinion of the enforcing agency would be palatable. sbr’s should not be any issue since handguns exist. I own several licensed suppressors and sleep quite well st night and know I can shoot them without wondering if a plainclothes LEO is watching or listening. It’s the hypocrisy of it all I was trying to point out. 5845(a)(7). If you ask them a question, they issue an opinion letter and that remains the official opinion until there’s a change in the underlying law. I would NOT recommend doing that. Arm braces, gat cranks and “gun toys” fall into the same category. types and perform a lot of maintenance tasks, you need something reliable and sturdy; something that will not wear out fast and is not damaged easily, causing you to buy a new one shortly after. How does this ruling affect Solvent Trap – type connectors (to attach oil filter type traps)? Again these Solvent traps have been out there for a while and there’s gotta be thousands of purchasers? If I happen to have all the requisite items, and download the plans, can you seriously conclude my intent is to build a machine gun? 3D Printed ar-15 lower 100 Round live fire Test. If you think that, your head must be so far up your ass you don’t even know if the sun came up yet? If you would like to use solvent traps as it is, you can go with a standard build. Juts the separation of freeze plugs at a specific distance between? Now the ATF says that a machine gun is “Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger”. As if the Constitution were a listing and enforcement of immutable natural, civil and human rights. That determination has never been declared inaccurate, erroneous, illegal or any other status of blatant and obvious overreach. | The Legality of Solvent Traps. I say we secede, fight a guerilla war for six months, get forced back in to the union, hang all the traitors, impose federal law on the state, get some supressors and AOW’s, and live happily ever after. You bought the kit! “The populace” can be a fair meter, but one must know the difference between democracy and the electoral system. If you want to talk about class discrimination: it’s low class to blame the law enforcers. Yes. On another note, if you want to build a suppressor out of your gun solvent trap, there are products that make converting easier. and really? If they didn’t know, well that’s still on them because ignorance of the law isn’t a license to break it. Solvent trap feature cups, also referred to as dividers, that trap byproduct created during the cleaning process. This is when a gun solvent trap comes in handy. What if you sold them a muzzle device they could look and weld? We can’t snooze just because Trumps in. When damages leading to glitches, Fouling can be beneficial or detrimental to your gun. A genuine solvent trap is an item that attaches to the barrel of a firearm, and used to catch and trap gun cleaning solvent during the cleaning process. We argued it back and forth from various points of view to no avail. I don’t mark up my prices much on a used or out of production models I sell. 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